Fishers revolt! make fishing great again

It is quite literally slower than a luga rod

Fishing doesnt outclass farming, looting, or mining if you have the best gear, a legendary farming set beats a maxed out fishing set at fishing 90 any day of the week. People were finding 10 ultras in a single ultra boost earlier today. Thats more than any fisher could hope for. Fishing is not top-tier.

The ugly duckling rod was powerful, not overpowered. It was without a doubt the best fishing rod that this game has ever seen (with the exclusion of dumbledore reel)

However
You cant find legendaries or mythicals from fishing, you cant make $1b an hour fishing, you cant AFK all day and make billions fishing. Having said all of this, how is fishing better than all of these things?

Because fishing takes literally zero skill, is 100% safe, and only requires a time commitment. It quite literally is not slower than Luga’s Reel. I would be in favor of Legendaries and Mythicals being added to fishing, potentially at 95 and 100. Bear in mind, this would take hundreds of hours of grinding, but having the opportunity to get a rare item from something other than looting would be awesome.

Anyways, to pretend like you can’t make billions from fishing just isn’t accurate. You can fish drugs for farming, epics to slot/sell, ultras to slot/sell, specials to sell, and crates that cost real-life money (granted, this reward seemed a bit underwhelming for the time investment). Would I prefer the UD Rod be nerfed? Of course not. But I’m not going to bitch about every single change that Red and Varm make that impacts me in any sort of way. Just keep fishing and wait for more ULs.

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Nobody likes a “nerf” to any item or thing in the game that affects them, but for the most part I like to ensure that something is still balanced or around the same after changing one item.

Avg bite time for UD Rod went from 175 ticks to 210 ticks, meaning it’s 20% slower.

The Ariel Hair which I deliberately added at the same time gives about 25% more experience based on the random chance for 10x experience, so overall you make the same amount of fishing exp now as before with the best items

Additionally you make more $$$ from fishing now, since the fish prices were boosted to about 2-2.5x more money, and the UD rod gives double fish.

The only reason I’m adding any fishing specials is because compensating by also slightly nerfing the UD Rod.

IceForBrains can continue to put on their tinfoil hat like they’re auditioning to join Shark Gang when it comes to being ignorant about the actual outcome, but I can see the raw numbers and know the exact changes. It’s easy to notice only what appears to seem worse overall when that’s what you’re expecting, but fishing overall yields the same experience as it did prior and more potential for $$$ now, and because this change allows me to continue adding fishing specials, in addition to a FABLED UD Rod eventually and UL Luga Net/Shrek Rod, new rewards between 90-100, the best fishing set will only continue to improve as it did with this update.

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Nobody likes a “nerf” to any item or thing in the game that affects them, but for the most part I like to ensure that something is still balanced or around the same after changing one item.

Really? didn’t pvpers ask for pvp nerfs? Didn’t I ask for a shrek splooge nerf multiple times? This just flat out isn’t true. This is a shallow attempt to dispel people’s anger by framing them as a whiners.

Avg bite time for UD Rod went from 133 ticks to 166 ticks, meaning it’s 25% slower. The UD Rod currently fishes 140% faster than Cap Hook Reel and 85% faster than Luga Rod on average (though each individual casting of the rod can be slower or faster, so it can be hard for people to tell when they are comparing in the short term and have their tinfoil hat on)

Wrong. You think that three reels means that the 400 from lure 5 is divided by three. I.E. you think 3 reels = 3x faster fishing. THIS IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.

Subsequently the nerf has made the rod OVER 2X slower. Also, the rod wasn’t used only on it’s own, it was used with shrek luck, which you now get vastly less from. The LUGA ROD IS BETTER THAN THE UD ROD NOW.

Additionally you make more $$$ from fishing now, since the fish prices were boosted to about 2-2.5x more money, and the UD rod gives double fish.

Yes Red we were all fishing to make money smh… and the UD rod ALREADY GAVE DOUBLE FISH.

The only reason I’m adding any fishing specials is because compensating by also slightly nerfing the UD Rod.

then DON’T ADD FISHING SPECIALS. You’re not giving us anything at all then. If you’re gonna give with one hand and taking with the other all you’re doing is insulting the intelligence of the playerbase after hyping a fishing update. We were excited for fishing ULs because we thought fishing would be better. Now it is far worse.

After this update it is far far worse. yesterday despite fishing more I fell far short of the amount of xp I would usually get.

IceForBrains can continue to put on their tinfoil hat like they’re auditioning to join Shark Gang when it comes to being ignorant about the actual outcome, but I can see the raw numbers and know the exact changes.

Except you don’t know what to do with those raw numbers because you suck at maths. Timing for 3 reels =/= divide tick time by 3… The rod is 2 times slower now and you made one of the only things in the game worth doing terrible now. GG

Did you even read anything i sent you on discord? Did you read me explaining to you that even if your model was correct that it’d still only amount to a 5% increase in xp? Did you read me explaining why your model can’t be correct?

It isn’t just icebreaker saying the rod sucks now. It’s every fisher on the server, and burying your head in the sand and insisting you’re right off the back of BODGED MATHS really isn’t a good look. Neither is insulting Ice when everyone can see what your saying isn’t true.

Don’t ignore us on this. You’re either wrong or lying to us about how much it’s been nerfed. If it isn’t changed I’ll definitely be quitting. I’m frankly tired of you blindly defending decisions you make when even you are wrong about how much they’ve affected the game. Remember when you tried to tell us the radius of Elder Wand was the same? Did you you know the raw numbers and exact changes then?

Final time for you, Red: THREE CONCURRENT REELS DOES NOT EQUAL THREE TIMES FASTER CATCHING. wish I’d said that a week or two ago and maybe this wouldn’t have happened.

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be angry but use your brain whilst being angry like you have done in the past.

kinda is…? you spammed chat all day asking for compost to use your farm… with drugs that you got from fishing… 99% of people fish to reel in drugs or items that are worth MONEYYYY.

he does it every update based on buffing a strat…? i even said this to you over discord when you had your tantrum… does this mean you dont want anymore balanced updates? you just want buffs only and no nerfs to anything? smart thinking!

knew you guys would bring this up… this is the result of what happens when you spam chat all day with “fishing sucks vote on my poll to fix fishing” the only people that have been using their brain with counter arguments, you have been arguing against for ages. it seems that you only want one opinion on fishing and then when a different opinion of yours comes, you shut it down because that isnt what you’re looking for to try and fix your precious virtual fish.

not commenting on the math shit, all i know is fishing is 2x slower and you guys have started losing hair over it.

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People wouldn’t vote if they didn’t care. A lot of people have lost patience with the haphazard approach to balancing this map including yourself which is why you no longer play, right?

You have no main point. Your arguments are made up or are reaches because you have no game knowledge since you haven’t been playing.

If you’re this bored you ought to find yourself a hobby. Not sure why you’re spending your time trolling a forum for a game you don’t play anymore. That’s what 2086 used to do.

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Ironic you said this, yesterday you and ice were scrambling for points everytime I countered, and then you started backtracking and being hypocrites…

That and because this map isnt enjoyable for me, not just because of balancing issues. Them buffing mining or looting to the best its been any map wouldnt make me play, I dont have an interest in this map anymore. But this time there was no balancing issue, he did well. Nerfed one thing but buffed another thing. How he does things. Just gotta deal with it.

not much has changed since i stopped playing lol, i still look at the changelogs. i have all the game knowledge in the world even without playing. game knowledge doesnt disappear after you’ve played 9 maps. Good try of an argument to cancel out what im
saying though.

not doing this because im bored… i disagreed with someone i agree with 99% of the time and you have made this the outcome… i dont play the map anymore but it doesnt mean i have to leave the community over it. all good.

im sure once fishing fableds etc come out your mind will be settled :) until then carry on with your anger paragraphs

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He believes he nerfed one thing by 25% when he actually made it 2x slower and he did it because he looked at the tickspeed associated with lure 5 and divided it by 3. Which is wrong.

He buffed one thing by 1.4.
1x0.75=0.75
0.75x1.4=1.05

So if his model was correct, you would get xp only 5% faster. Perhaps whatever point you’re trying to make would apply in that case. It’d still be a pretty shit move yeah, but it wouldn’t be anything we haven’t come to expect from prison.

but his model isn’t correct

i have all the game knowledge in the world even without playing

You don’t make money from composting weed btw. Nice hubris.

Ironic you said this, yesterday you and ice were scrambling for points everytime I countered, and then you started backtracking and being hypocrites…

I remember you misinterpreting me saying “if everyone is fishing they ought to make other things worth doing instead of killing fishing” as “buff everything indiscriminately” and deciding it was a better use of my time not to reply to someone mendaciously misinterpreting things that have been said and playing the list of logical fallacies like a bingo card.

You had no point there and you don’t have one here. This why instead of making the point you don’t have, you celebrate stumbling a 15 year old in a discord spat.

If only that could magically make Red’s maths work out.

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logical fallacy, no need to explain

I don’t know about you but I think his main point is that the nerf was justified and you people shouldn’t get so frustrated about it. He made it pretty clear in my eyes. All arguments are made up and I doubt he has no game knowledge. The words little, few, not much, etc would fit a lot better.

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Because it will make the game less dependent on one item and in return distribute even more (in his words) gain onto several items instead? Had they kept the rod the way it was and started adding better fishing items, I don’t think there’s a doubt in any of our minds that it would make fishing the most op compared to every other scenario listed so far.

No that is not obvious because it isn’t correct? The point of the game is to progress using several methods, not just one. Had they begun releasing these items prior to the nerf, fishing would undoubtedly be even more op (as I already said) and you would without a doubt solely depend on it. This way you are forced (take the term loosely) to engage in other methods while fishing stabilizes again.

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Even if red’s math was magically correct, i’d take 25% more loot over 25% more xp any day of the week. (Since 25% more loot already means 25% more xp) It makes no sense to just take with one hand and give with the other. Fish prices are a miniscule amount, you said so yourself that a weeks worth of fish was worth about 700m. (Thats less than an hours worth of mining) I can guarantee that even with this price change, fish make up a small portion of the money you make.

This update was not a buff to fishing in any way. It was a nerf. You took “25%” of our loot, didnt change the xp, and told us it was a buff.

Buffing the fishing prices was a plan from the start, it would have happened without a nerf to UD rod.

Stop lying red

:sob::sob: what is this argument. obviously mining will make more than fishing. you want mythical mining to be worse than fishing now is that your new big idea?
you dont earn just fish from fishing, you earn passes, drugs to feed your farms etc and you are trying to argue that the fishing buff means nothing because you dont earn much from fish… fish isnt the only thing that makes you money from fishing you twat

You are meant to play the game in multiple ways not just rely on fish selling… if you want to make money, fish, farm, mine. you own a mythical, do that don’t cry that your fish dont make as much as another thing when it isnt meant to be the only way to earn money like you think it is.

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Buff cell raiding!! let me take items from cells without being cellmated to the person

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When did i say fishing should make more than mining (or even come close) i didnt. All i did was state the obvious, a 2-2.5x increase on fish is not enough to cover this significant of a nerf to fishing speed

You should really take an english course. Constantly throughout this argument you’ve failed to comprehend what me and shoblette have been saying

wtf are you saying hahah you compared fishing income to mining income obviously stating how it should be close with mining otherwise you wouldnt make the comparision.

Your argument is that fishing outclasses everything and was the only thing worth doing, was it not?

are you fkn stupid? ahahh fishing gives drugs, passes, ultras, specials, bunch of stuff. like i said fishing isnt just about earning quicksell money :joy::joy::joy::joy:

clearly a problem if you can sustain a farm cell full of drugs from just fishing. sitting there doing nothing :joy::joy::joy:

Abstract:This post uses statistics collected real-time by hand collated into graphs to definitively prove that the fishing rate was miscalculated by Red before the nerf, and is still being miscalculated after the nerf, and that the rate at which fishing has been reduced for the Ugly Duckling Rod is not 25%

Aims: The aims of this investigation were to;

  • Determine how the Ugly Duckling Rod’s 3 reels affects the rate at which fish are caught

  • Establish whether dividing the catch rate in ticks by 3 produces an accurate representation of the catch rate for the Ugly Duckling Rod’s three reels.

Method: A stopwatch was used to time the length of time it took for a fish to be caught. The stopwatch was started the moment the hook was cast and was stopped the moment the fish bit the hook and the sploosh noise played. This was repeated 100 times and the length of time for each catch was recorded. This as repeated for four different rods producing 4 data sets and graphs.

The rods Investigated are as following: Ugly Duckling Rod, Luga Reel, Captain Hook Reel (Lure 5), Lure IV(Lure 4)

Bait was not used during the investigation. The investigation was halted during any stormy nights. Shrek’s luck, while not playing a factor in the rate of catch, was also not used during the investigation.

Results:
The data tables themselves are far too long to post here, However they are available upon request and can be viewed in either Microsoft Office Excel or OpenOffice Calc.

Mean Averages (Sum of datapoints divided by number of datapoints. Time in seconds)

The Mean Average for Ugly Duckling Rod was 10.498 seconds
The Mean Average for Luga Reel was 10.774 seconds
The Mean Average for Captain Hook’s Reel (Lure 5) was 13.028 seconds
The Mean Average for Lure IV(Lure 4) was 16.175 seconds.

Graphs
Ugly Duckling Rod

This graph shows a significant positive skew deviating from normal distribution. It’s modal category sits at the peak of curve.

Luga Reel

This graph shows a normal distribution with a high degree of variance. It’s modal category is seemingly random.

Captain Hook’s Reel

This graph sees a normal distribution with a high degree of variance. It’s modal category is seemingly random.

Lure IV (Lure 4)

This graph sees a normal distribution with a high degree of variance. It’s modal category is seemingly random.

Conclusion:

Without the dataset from the lure 5 UD rod, the degree to which the rod has been nerfed cannot be said with confidence. The data clearly shows that dividing the rate of a lure 4 rod by 3 does not equal the rate at which the Ugly Duckling Rod fishes as can be seen by making a ratio from the mean average times.

10.498s/16.175s=0.649 (not 0.33 or even close)

Thus Red’s model for determining how effective the Rod was, and the degree to which the nerf would effect it by, is 100% proven to be inaccurate by a large margin.

This is because 3 lures changes the distribution of catches to a positive skew. This functions in a very different way to simply having 3x catches, which is why it’s difficult to determine.

This Graph shows Figure 1 and Figure 4 on the same axes. This allows for a comparison between 3 lure 4 reels and 1 and perhaps a prediction as to what a similar graph for the pre-nerf UD rod might have looked like.

The maximum time taken to catch a fish with Lure 4 was 26 seconds. This isn’t seen on the UD Rod graph, however as they are the same lure, we know it is theoretically possible. It also matches anecdotes from fishers yesterday. With a larger sample size, the positive skew could would be much more obvious and the max catch time would appear on the statistics.

With the modal category being 8 seconds for the Post-Nerf UD rod, by comparing Figure 5 with the data seen in Figure 3 it’s likely the modal category for the Pre-Nerf UD rod would have been around 5-6 seconds.

We would have seen a tighter distribution across a smaller number of categories, meaning the positive skew would be far more apparent. By increasing the number of categories, the skew is stretched out and the bell curve has to some extent been flattened. This adds up to a significant decrease in the Rod’s output.

Final words: Red can’t do maths and if munchy was some big budget triple AAA videogames developer they’d have paid some mug to do all this statistics for them, but Red, Varm and a few other goofballs are all we got.

No need to thank me for proving you wrong, it was a pleasure, just as it was last time with the Elder Wand.

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why are u replying to me lol reply to redvelvetcake