Prison "Defamation" and Chat

DISCLAIMER: This is not particularly geared towards anyone in particular, as I have also been in a situation of concern recently related to this, but I feel like this needs to be brought up.

Recently there have been a ton of concerning situations involving anything from accusations to misunderstandings, etc. In prison, there have been - and will always be drama and “beef” amongst players; that’s just how people operate - not everyone’s going to get along. What I am particularly worried about is how far some of these conversations and accusations go, and what that does to players’ names particularly involving defamation of names, especially in regards to Staff apps, so let’s talk about it!

To best illustrate what I’m getting at, I’ll speak about what I mentioned in the disclaimer above; A situation arose out of a misunderstanding of wording to the point where staff needed to get involved. With this misunderstanding, there were accusations of almost complete absurdity, and the staff member that was working with us (me and the player of the accusations) is someone I frequently talk to and consider a friend. Fortunately, this situation was moderated, and was resolved. All is good, yes? Well, not quite. Even though the situation was isolated from public eye, now the problem of perception arises where the staff member looks differently at me, as well as even higher up staff members, which hurts relationships with them, as well as makes my image look bad.

Despite how rough of a situation this could have been, it was still best case scenario compared to what I’ve been seeing recently with other players - There was an issue today with a player’s name getting absolutely slaughtered in the prison chat over a misunderstanding. This situation had a player of a unique ethnicity that wasn’t aware of a slur, and after being told about the context, had gone to the player and apologized accordingly. The other player definitely had their fair share of complaints and frustration at the other player (justifiably so), but it went to the point where he was questioned by staff and threatened for punishment after being shown clips, which made the player (with the unique background) look really bad, when I personally believe they had no bad intentions of anything, but I digress…

This was mainly meant as a rant, but I would like to see some sort of action taken to keep situations like this silent to avoid false defamation of someone’s name. My case was dealt with very professionally by an incredible staff member, and I’d like to understand if there could be any more steps taken to avoid situations like this?

On a somewhat similar note, I’ve seen a lot of statements on prison that are filthy to even think about another person. such as (and not limited to): Self harm statements, slurs, personal attacks, etc. And some of this happens in the main prison chat where ~ everyone can see these messages. This is starting to get out of control, but I also understand there is a shortage of staff, hence the staff application openings, and I would like to note that the staff are doing a phenomenal job for what they’ve been given.
My concerns about this that I’m curious about:

  1. Is there a specific procedure that goes through filtering these kinds of situations?
  2. What can players do to avoid seeing these kinds of statements?
  3. Is there any logical way to work towards a system that helps prevent both of these situations from happening?

No accusations towards anyone, just hoping I can get some clarification as well as raising awareness of these situations.

Thank all of you Munchies for your time!

-JoshyVT

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This is really petty Joshy, even from you.

The situation did not arise from a misunderstanding, and infact, he only ever addressed 1 of the 2 slurs he used.

Furthermore, I mentioned those in DMs to him to explain why I personally didn’t like him (because his first reaction upon hearing a rumour spread about it was to ask his friends if he could use that to insult me)

The slurs were mentioned on discord. The DMs were private. The resulting conversation which you joined took place in discord.

None of this has anything to do with staff apps. None of this is the job of Munchy staff to moderate.

If you didn’t want your friends reputation damaged you probably shouldn’t publicly make a post about how he used slurs in discord “without understanding what they meant”. Especially when you insisted on ending that conversation before I’d ever got around to asking about the second one. It began with an “F” by the way.

At least when I made my post about Tart I was pretty upfront about everything I had to say. This accusation that I was somehow trying to smear a staff app reeks of desperation. Does Munchy have Anti-SLAPP laws? O:

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I feel some staff member needs to take it in their own hands to maybe make aloft in the discord and maybe here to remind others of the rules, because I’m seeing this a lot and it’s conveying me.

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It wasn’t in the munchy disc. As far as I’m aware, munchy staff had no way to be aware that conversation had even took place unless they read taken disc an hour or two ago where it was being discussed. I hadn’t reported it. I assume he didn’t report himself.

Story of this thread is I told Joshy’s friend in DMs I didn’t like him because I’d seen that he’d randomly decided he wanted to insult me after hearing a rumour about me.

Frankly, whether or not they’re slurs doesn’t matter to me. The fact Joshy’s friend insults me behind my back while lying to my face does.

None of this needed to be on forums at all. It just seems like a reach.

Edit: Rather than addressing the context of Joshy’s post, I thought I’d do a little more to address it’s contents. Specifically his questions and suggestions regarding ingame prison chat.

Self harm statements, slurs, personal attacks

Of these three, two of them are already against the rules and are mutable. The server is fairly well moderated these days, so I can only assume you’re taking issue with "personal attacks.

Is there a specific procedure that goes through filtering these kinds of situations?

Yes, if the personal attack is discriminatory in nature, contains sensitive personal information, etc etc, then it will be considered against the rules. However, merely expressing your annoyance with someone, or even calling them a liar, is not against the rules. It may be unfriendly, but there is no obligation for staff to get involved.

What can players do to avoid seeing these kinds of statements?

You can use /ignore to hide all statements from players whom you don’t want to see in chat.

Is there any logical way to work towards a system that helps prevent both of these situations from happening?

Yes, and that system is already in place. If there is an issue regarding chat that can be defined more clearly than “personal attacks” which is not already being addressed by Munchy staff, then you should create a post discussing that more in depth. However, if the post simply results in complaining that other players may not like you or your friends, I expect it won’t gain much traction.

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Sorry to hear that. I hope this rumor dies down but remember to be the bigger person in this scenario.

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Spreading misinformation is like half the fun of prison (the other things you mentioned aren’t cool tho)

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Why are y’all even talking about this?!? It’s should’ve stayed private. Not taken to the forums

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I made this post particularly for multiple issues, it wasn’t just aimed at your particular situation, I’d appreciate if you actually READ the entire post. Most of the post wasn’t even about your particular situation, it’s a server wide issue that I find is getting a little out of hand. I had a problem with a player, and now my image was destroyed, similar to your situation (which I feel is fair to bring up since you spoke of the topic in your response). Your particular situation was a kind of “last straw” per se, where I felt moved to talk about a plethora of issues regarding similar situations, as well as other similar issues on the server involving chat (which had absolutely nothing to do with you, but you also felt the need to take that personally).
I do feel like some of these problems arise in situations involving you specifically, but I wasn’t going to say that directly for respect for you on the forums. Even so, you’re not the only part of the problem, and all I’m looking for is a revamped kind of procedure from staff, or more clarification on how moderation works for instances like these.
ALSO, to clear up the staff app thing, this had absolutely no relevance to you whatsoever, this was a personal worry for MYSELF in my situation… but again all you mentioned was YOUR situation, and completely disregarding the rest of my post, further frustrating me in trying to make the point.

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As I said in my disclaimer, this was not pointed towards any particular situation, but rather had built up until a situation prompted me to bring light to the issues prison’s been having. So, I feel like this is fair to bring up on the forums for the purpose of resolving server wide issues. I can kinda see that this was a little unnecessary to post, I was particularly looking for any thoughts from other people!

No disrespect towards anyone :)

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The issue is that most of the time when someone initiates drama the hope/plan is to ruin the other persons reputation, so if all arguments that could possibly ruin ones reputation were isolated and kept silent, then those “drama makers” would be complaining about how they cant discuss certain things.

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I am going to initiate drama and ruin your reputation.

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Insert great comback here

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Because innoyt can’t think of a comeback I think I’ll make one for him.

That’s why I’m going to initiate with your mother to ruin your reputation.

Btw I love Kevin!

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Its innovt :sob:
Also great comback ima use it

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That’s why I’m going to initiate with your mother to ruin your reputation.

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InnoYT on top

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Kevin gang runs the server :handshake:

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thank you but its best to keep replies on topic now :nod:

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Silly InnoYT, there are no replies for this topic. It’s just a rant nobody can do anything about

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Mb sorry sir

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